Why does God allow this to happen? For when the subjects didn't want to continue? To feed about 30 million people. And he goes home for a few days a hero. Leaving a son, a- a- alone with his dead mother. This is just a tsunami of evil that passes through the play. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. Especially when it came to one particular fact. By this point, David moved on to a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. "It's okay to admit this, you need to admit this.". Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. And 91% of the men said yes. God, 'cause it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of human's latent capacity of evil. Uh, walked in and asked his wife, uh, where this friend of mine was. They couldn't deploy it. You- I mean, I'm not suggesting one should, but I'm just saying there is a sense in which these people are prepared to do something that's very painful to them and to someone else because they want to promote science. But this is why this is such an interesting guy, around the same time, officials in the U.S. government are calling him a war criminal. And even when they do say yes, even when they go along with the experiment, as you can see in the film. It's a little bit more direct. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. Listen Infective Heredity. But we will do it on our own if we think it's good.". Um, could you just- just tell me, uh, the little story that you begin your book with? Speaker 2: Sep 21, 2018 . The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents, to Good Humor men, and plumbers. Maria Matasar-Padilla is our managing director. Yeah. An mlsconsumeraccess.org number 3030. To feed about 30 million people. We were just enacting an old very famous experiment you may have heard about. 35.3M . Around this same time, officials in the US government are calling him a war criminal. Okay. Hundreds of them were falling to the ground. Walked in and asked his wife where this friend of mine was, and she got a disgusted look on her face, and said that he was up in the bedroom. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. Dan Charles, Sam Keen, Latif Nasser, Fred Koffman and Fritz Stern. Uh, we ask "Who did you think about killing?" Cruelty, violence, badness in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. He would say over and over again. It's a good one. And it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences, and to approach it with kind of crazy joy? By the way, that's reporter [Latif Nassar 00:30:59]. Thanks. [crosstalk 00:17:42], It's the experimenter-. You know, "I just want to kill her. Well I mean, I know it does, sir. Meaning, any idea what was in his mind? He said, "Look, this is what you're going to do is of course you don't want to do this. But- but there's part of me that says, you know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before. So if you have kids in the room, maybe this is a time to tell them to go brush their teeth or something. Where . "The experiment requires that you continue.". Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation-. But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod And this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006; total disobedience. This is what totally pulled me into the story. The whole thing happened serveral years ago. Equal Housing lender licensed in all 50 states. Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood overall? Thank you to Jim Shapiro, whose most recent book is called Contested Will. And Satan's like, "Well, I- I bet I can change his mind." We should say that this next section of the program has some references which are extremely graphic and not to everybody's tastes. Science. He had an experimenter who wasn't a scientist, but was a member of the general public. But it's suspected that it could be upwards of 75. They spent the next six months interrogating him, they brought in psychiatrists, and forensic psychologists to try to get an answer. I invited him for dinner. Sap in the next room just because they were being told to? I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. "I just needed to kill because of that." But if looked at from another perspective, there's a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. Big questions are investigated . And to approach it with kind of crazy joy, I don't know. Okay, well actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. And it's moving at about one meter per second. He travels to the front. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting a thought that he had anything to do with Zyklon B, but he did. in the next room just because they're being told to. He recruited a bunch of subjects-. A lot of WNYC podcasts do transcripts-- I know On the Media does. You know, solar energy from the sun to grow crops. Walk- walk away. He could have never imagined that. I do have a choice. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camps? And then, she said, "I actually did this. Even when they go along with the experiment-. And he is basically homeless at this point. "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" Could you just tell me the little story that you begin your book with? He'll be our guide for the segment. Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? And he wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history; Gary Leon Ridgeway, the Green River Killer. Yeah, I don't think we quite [crosstalk 00:49:32]. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? And they're both secularized Jews. And you've done this how many times before. And I designed a little questionnaire where I simply asked the students, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" He won't answer. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. ", "Set deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench, you quench with their tears. The experiment requires that we continue. The Germans were on one side, the French, the Canadians, and the British on the other. It's a graphic or an illustrated novel. Each answer just begs another why. He is a soldier. Our food source then moves into our bodies. We will begin with this test-. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, Actually two nations in South America went to war-. Right now get $50 towards select mattresses by visiting casper.com/radiolab and using Code Radiolab at checkout. And so, I went up to the bedroom and he was, you know, in a rage. He would deny things. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. In December of 2001, my father and his colleagues, uh, made the arrest. Imagine how it feels to have an award-winning team by your side through the mortgage process. What you know, you know.". Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? Also from Breslau. [inaudible 00:59:42] Christensen. I-. How many times would they shock that sad-. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk. ", Yes I did need to kill. Radiolab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science, technology in the modern world. "This was exactly what was in my mind. Why did you do this?" Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. He would have each subject sit down at a table. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. This has allowed the world to have seven billion people. Yeah, I carried your oxygen and you walked beside me through the lobby commenting on the decor. Thanks. Why did you inflict on this suffering on them, on us? With higher and higher voltage. I'm good. This was a moment when human cruelty was on trial. Now that's important. And I heard about him from science writer, Sam Kean. But if you think that's the right thing, if you think that science is worth pursuing you say, "Okay, I'll go along with this.". But you can't throw that air onto a plant. So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. She was actually, uh, sort of a genius herself. Let's expect more from technology, let's put smart to work, visit ibm.com/smart to learn more. Yes, it's awesome. Wasn't satisfying me, it made me mad that she was very much in a hurry, she had something else on her mind, and I killed her. Because, ultimately, the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. And in the trial, when the prosecutors, essentially, ask him how you came to commit genocide he would say, over and over again-. More energy than seemed, like, possible to make. Search metadata Search text contents Search TV news captions Search radio transcripts Search archived web sites Advanced Search. Bred from the air was the phrase. And maybe forces hydrogen in the tank. And he says that's what people wanted. Does he- is he saying what I think he's saying? The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents to good [inaudible 00:12:29] and plumbers. We've got to know now. It was developed in his institute. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. But, you know, over the entire ocean there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. Pat, go ahead. Or does everybody at some point have something dark in them? In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. Wow. Yeah (laughs). Nobody had done what she was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. He's standing there on the front pushing the gas into the lungs of other human beings. And, uh, she had got a disgusted look on her face and said that he was up in the bedroom. David always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a free audiobook. What you know-". Well, if you dressed it up, and if you had some minor vairance in the paradigm, you could presumable, you know, make- make this up. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. And they would circle yes or no. His health is failing in 1934. That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. I'm going to take a break. This next part's a little graphic. He gets promoted to the rank of captain-. Like, is that something that's universal? But if they were prepared to do that, when I suspect a lot of them would, then we'd say, "These are people who really believe in science, and isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society, who are willing to make sacrifices-. This is just a tsunami of evil-, And at the very end of the play, when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. Terms and conditions apply. As we continue listening to the Bad Show on human nature in our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Wave, which we mirrors the natural shape of your body, or the Casper mattress with zone support for your hips and shoulders for better alignment. Yeah. And oddly enough, we got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy-. He has these pince-nez spectacles. It's all right. Of course normally just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. And he said, "To start, you want to know about bad? In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. He loves the fatherland, and he loves Germany. Trim, nice mustache. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. Want to talk about bad people in Shakespeare. Trivalent. And he said, "Look, this is what you're going to do is Of course, you don't want to do this. You know, this was like oil is today. Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. And he was wearing a fur coat-. And it's kind of surprising, a lot of them are really positive, even though they've just been told that they were duped. A liquid that has captured the nitrogen right out of the air. Ear drums, God. You went through this a lot of times before and she's already told you she's in a hurry. Yeah. But you know, we ended up walking this question around to different people. We thought that maybe as- as we turn a corner ourselves, we should refresh. Come over now.". Now, of course you could find some nitrogen out in the world. And "Because women have stepped on me all my life." Yeah. Live shows were first offered in 2008. He's such a puzzle to me. Who's going to do this powerful piece of science. Right. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. One of those very tiny, old fashioned, uh, pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. But there's been a fellow, I've been thinking about him for the better part of year, as you know-. How could you? Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. So every day, they would bring them into this conference room-, This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway-. I'm starting to feel a little bit better about my fellow man. You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? Uh, Haber it's unknown what happened for the rest of that evening, but it is a well-documented fact that the very next morning. There's trench warfare. Well,the experiment requires that you continue. I mean, that was make believe. All right. ", Only 10 percent, under those circumstances, go on. And then he just trails off. With higher and higher voltage. Who they would kill, where they'd do it, when. The Bad Show.ogg download. And, like, it kind of, like, hurt his feelings. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. The time now is 08:36 hours. He didn't really want to cop to everything that he did. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting at the thought that he had anything to do with zyklon B; but he did. So, you don't know. And there is no doubt that today's plants and animals carry the genetic legacy of ancestors who fought fiercely to survive and reproduce. Right. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. And I used to socialize with him and his wife. And also a scientist. Hey, it's Fred Kaufman, I'm calling to read the credits; here we go. Alex Haslem, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. It is, arguably, the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. This is what totally pulled me into this story, the prods. She was actually a sort of a genius herself. And is found by her son. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and . My dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. He would deny things, he would obscure, he would dance around things. When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court [Foreign 00:12:14] to accuse Adolf Eichmann [Foreign 00:12:18], I do not stand alone. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies; many of them after they were murdered. Of course, normally you just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. Were you a little bit, like, horrified? Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. In 1962 Stanley Milgram shocked the world with his study on obedience. Necrophilia. comment. The Blank Slate follows one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind as he explores the idea of human nature and its moral emotional and political coverings. Certainly friends of his did. And he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. Is that like a- like a green cloud? He was always smoking his Virginian cigars. Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters for when the subjects didn't want to continue. Up until that point, Gary refused to say, "That from the minute I picked these women up, I wanted to kill them." Yes. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? It was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we do, if they worthwhile doing, and not always easy. So, he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself and what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into seawater, which contains, um, uh, some very small levels of gold. So he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself. And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. When Lucy was only two days old she was adopted by a psychologist and his wife who wondered: if given the right environment, how human could Lucy . I mean-, So again, the baseline study is the one where 65 percent of the volunteers-, But in experiment number three, if they put the shock-ee in the same room-, With the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person that he's shocking-. And not to everybody's taste. You know, just because of a mathematical summing up. I mean, that was makebelieve, but if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room and subject that person to questioning, and really get him to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. A lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people in the planet at that point, that maybe we were maxing out. Would change where the shocker and the shock-ee sat. So, here's the interesting thing. All rights reserved. Right. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and set them upright at their dear friend's door. I'm Jad Abumrad. How many times would they shock that sad-. I mean you have to remember, during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. And not just 'cause he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. You could say people were bat (beep) crazy. In a rage how? Yes I did lie about that. Transcript. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. Yes, it's awesome, thank you, Ben. So he felt publicly humiliated. Radiolab weaves stories and science into sound and music-rich documentaries. ", "We'll basically bring it to the front and when the- when the wind is right, we'll just spray it.". Uh, and he finds her actually still alive with her life running out of her. The- the leaves would just sort of shrivel and the grass was turning to the color of metal. So basically, at 6 p.m. on April 22nd-. What makes boys boys and girls girls. Was it nice day, nice sky, nice job, or nice chair? This actually brings us to the first topic of the hour, so let me Just to set it up. In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. And that tonnages then moves into our food source, our food source then moves into our bodies, and the rough statistics are that half of each of our bodies contains nitrogen from the Haber process. Like, you know, "Who are you?". And in experiment number four, when the teacher has to hold the learner's hand down-, If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man-. Was he grappling with something? On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. Well, I mean, I know that sir, but I mean, he's up to a 195 volts. Go. That he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. It's 0924 hours on June 17th, year 2003. 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